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Part 138/a-z: Ship's Funnels

 
64Funnel 19141918 n/a
138Ship's Funnel19221977000n/a
138aShip's Funnel, raked1927194120 n/a
138b-zShip's Funnel, raked, special paint schemes1929194100 n/a

The parts

Chronolgical progression of Ship's Funnels
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This part number is just a little tricky. The first Funnels were manufactured between 1914 and 1918, but were given the part number 64. They appeared in outfits from 1914 and 1915 only, and then disappeared. They were, of course, the first coloured parts ever to appear in a Meccano outfit.

Introduction of vertical funnel, part 138, in July 1922 Meccano Magazine
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In 1922 a new vertical part 138 arrived, but only in the largest outfit 7. Then in 1927 the new part 138a "Ship's Funnel, Raked" appeared in red and black with a steampipe and was put into outfit 7 in place of part 138. The vertical Ship's Funnel part 138 continued to be available, though.

In 1929 Meccano had something of a fit and replaced part 138a with a whole series of 26 Ship's Funnels painted in different colour schemes of major shipping companies, numbered 138a to 138z. The new parts were mentioned in the June 1929 issue in a reply to a reader. Part 138 continued to be vertical, and cheaper than these newcomers.

It wasn't until 1953 that Ship's Funnels reappeared, this time only one version. The post-war Ship's Funnel is raked but has no steam pipe, and it is number 138. There is no post-war part 138a. It went through colour changes but failed to appear in the 1978 new parts list.

Original Ship's Funnel display cabinet
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So, really, it's not too hard to remember. Part 138 has been available pretty much the whole time, without a steam pipe. Part 138a was on its own with a steam pipe for just two years, then was replaced by the set of 26 that lasted from 1929 through to around 1940. In the 1941 price list parts 138 and 138a still appear, but parts 138b-z have disappeared.

Meccano made themselves a display cabinet showing just 25 of the special funnels (missing out 138i in order to make a display of 5x5 funnels). This was apparently rescued from a skip outside Binns Road, which is just as well as there are very few original funnels in this condition around.

Chronological variations

The two complementary early Funnels, part 64
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The first type of Funnel (part 64), manufactured only between 1914 and 1918 and only supplied in outfits for the first two years of that time, was a simple sheet of red painted tinplate. It was formed into a cylinder and the 'teeth' on one end were interlocked with the opposite plain end. The idea was to wrap it around a 1" pulley in order to fix it to a model. In the process of manufacture, it appears that two versions of this were made – one with three teeth and one with four. It looks at first sight as if one is made from the offcut of the other, although the pair in this picture aren't a perfect pair.

Underside of late 1920s vertical Ship's Funnel
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Thanks to Clive Weston for uncovering this little-known fact about the early red and nickel funnels

The reintroduced Ship's Funnel (part 138) in 1922 was vertical and had a base with two Meccano holes into which the cylinder was fixed. The underside is clearly shown in this photograph. This part had a nickel plated base and the outside of the funnel was painted a light red. In 1927 the funnel became entirely dark red, painted inside and out. By 1932-33 the dark red lightens up to a variety of mid-red shades, but these are all painted throughout which makes them easily distinguished from the pre-1927 versions.

Early vertical funnels (red/nickel and dark red) are found with both Meccano and MFEA stampings, but the all-red versions are only stamped Meccano. Confirmation of these funnels can be found in these pictures of the early Outfit 7 and Outfit 6a.

Part 138a Ship's Funnel (raked) from 1927-29 (left) and part 138h from 1929-on (right)
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The new part 138a "Ship's Funnel, Raked" appeared in 1927 as shown in the left-hand example here. The steam pipe is painted black, along with the top of the funnel. Note that the flanges at the bottom have elongated holes.

In 1929, part 138a became part of the set of 138a-z. There were, however, a few more changes than that. The flanges now have round holes, and the steam pipe was shortened and painted gold. Note that part 138a was taken by the Cunard line colours (similar to these examples, but with three additional fine black lines around the funnel as in the example at the top of this page). The funnel shown in this picture is actually a part 138h from the Great Western Railway. This serves to see whether you're still awake.

'Outer' seam from pre-1929 (left) and 'Inner' seam from 1929-on (right)
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Another change that happened at the same time is the redesign of the seam. In the vertical funnel and the early part 138a (from 1927-29) the seam is clearly on the outside of the oval funnel. In the series 138a-z and all later funnels, the seam is folded on the 'inside' such that the outer oval is smooth.

There is sometimes some confusion over the number of Funnels that were made. There were twenty-six raked funnels, from 138a to 138z. Plus the standard straight funnel part 138. There is a famous picture in Volume 6 showing just 25 of the raked funnels (in order to fit into a 5x5 frame), which is missing part 138i. On the other hand, Meccano was confused, too, describing 24, 25, and 26 variations in different parts and price lists over the period. In the final November 1941 parts price list only 138 and 138a are still shown, and the remaining special funnels 138b-z have disappeared.

Pre-war (1927-1929) part 138a and post-war part 138
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The Ship's Funnel was reintroduced in 1953, as part number 138. The funnel was raked, but had no steam pipe. It was initially supplied in red with a black top, which is why it is often confused with the earlier 1927-29 part 138a.

The only remaining change is to a yellow funnel with black top, which was presumably in 1964 along with the rest of the colour changes. Since this was only ever supplied as a spare part we can't be absolutely certain about any dating from this point.

The Ship's Funnel disappears from the parts listing in 1978.

Variations and oddities

Experimental Dark Yellow funnel
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Unusual 1927-29 funnel with three holes
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To the left, a very unusual plain dark yellow funnel. It's assumed that this was an experimental or pre-production part intended for 1978 but dropped before it went into full production.

Even stranger, to the right is an example of a 1927-29 part 138a (elongated holes, outside seam, long steampipe) which is missing its steam pipe. Not too unusual, but this funnel has an third hole in it. Anyone know why?

DMS/EMP mention a few other oddities, including a narrower diameter French pre-war vertical funnel, an all-red post-war funnel, and another post-war funnel with holes for the steampipe that have been filled and painted over. We have to be extremely careful about home-made and home-painted versions of these parts as there are a great number around.

Reproduction funnel display by Ron Whitehouse
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One of the best examples of this is the picture to the left (click on it to enlarge). This is a beautiful mock-up of the genuine funnel display cabinet shown above, with some more invented variations added to make a total of 36 different funnels. The display was shown by Roy Whitehouse at Skegex in 2005, and this photograph is by Jonathan Shapero of the NMMG. Roy painted the funnels from a photograph of Jim Gamble's display, adding further funnels from other shipping lines.

Watch out for the obvious inconsistencies, though. The steampipes on these funnels are all gold (as they should be), but many are the full length of the funnel, as with the 1927-29 part 138a. The examples of 138i and 138y, for example, are repainted 138a's, but the 138d looks right. Others such as the 138t and 138j have replacement steampipes of the full length. All genuine 29-41 lettered funnels should have shorter steampipes, and consistent support positions. In addition, Roy's quality painting and masking gives these away as reproductions. The genuine Meccano articles aren't nearly as well finished.

The red special funnels are a lighter red than the earlier 138a
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Different white shades, possibly varnished and yellowed?
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The special coloured funnels have some colour variation here and there. Above are two examples of part 138c, where one appears to have been overpainted with a clear varnish that's yellowed slightly. To the left are three different red funnels, where we can see all sorts of shade variations. We can't consider these different funnels.

Very early five-fingered part 64 funnels
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To the right, however, is a much rarer beast. This pair of funnels was found in a late 1913 outfit in very respectable condition with 1914 contents. Tim believes this is a very early version of the part 64 funnel before it was realised that a pair could be made with one stamping, but I suppose we should wait to see another example before assigning it a "proper" part number.

Dealer spare parts boxes

Early 1950s Ships Funnel part 138 in brown paper
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Late 1950s Ships Funnel part 138 in yellow box
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Above are two examples of the post-war Ship's Funnel, part 138. The left-hand example is wrapped in brown paper with a rounded yellow diamond, typical of 1951-53ish. Note that the label says "1 No. 130" and the 0 has been changed to an 8. To the right is a later boxed example.

Individual part numbers

Part numbers for the parts on this page are as follows:    Unique part numbers
For identification, each variation has been given a suffix to the main Meccano part number. These suffixes consist of a two-character code for the colour, and if there are many variations, a further number and sometimes letter code to identify each variation. See the bottom of the 'Parts' page for further details.

You don't need to worry what the codes are, just click on any one for a photograph.

The button above turns on and off the display of DMS numbers (where they are known). The DMS (Development of the Meccano System, Hauton and Hindemarsh) published in 1972 and added to in 75 and 82, suggested part numbers for every variation of every Meccano part. These numbers aren't perfect, but they are recognised and also referenced in the EMP (Encyclopedia of Meccano Parts, Don Blakeborough).

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Descriptionfrom64138138a138
Red painted tinplate, three teeth14-18.re1   
Red painted tinplate, four teeth14-18.re2   
Light Red (outside) vertical funnel, nickel base22 .re1  
Nickel plated vertical funnel †¹27 .ni  
Dark Red vertical funnel27-32 .dr  
Red vertical funnel, painted inside and out33-41 .re  
Raked funnel, red with black top, long black steampipe27  .re 
Raked funnel, red / black & three lines, short gold steampipe, Cunard S S Co (one of 26 specials)29-41   a.xx
Raked funnel, red with black top, no steampipe53 .mr  
Raked funnel, yellow with black top, no steampipe64 .ye  
Black/red with two black lines, Isle of Man S P Co. Ltd29-40   b.xx
Black/white/red/white/black, T & J Harrison Liverpool29-40   c.xx
Black/white/red, United States Lines29-40   d.xx
All black, Peninsular & Oriental S N Co Ltd29-40   e.xx
Black/light blue, Alfred Holt & Co29-40   f.xx
Black/yellow, White Star Line29-40   g.xx
Black/red, Great Western Railway - Fishguard29-40   h.xx
Buff/green/white/green/buff, Holland America Line29-40   i.xx
Black/white/thin black/buff, Ellerman Line29-40   j.xx
Black/white/grey, Lamport & Holt Line29-40   k.xx
Black/orange/black/orange, Manchester Liners Ltd29-40   l.xx
Black/white/thin black/red, London & N.Eastern Rly Co.29-40   m.xx
Black/white, Southern Railway29-40   n.xx
Black/white/black/white/black, Aberdeen Newc'l Hull29-40   o.xx
Black/white/black/white/red, Nelson Lines29-40   p.xx
Black/red/black/red/black, Clan Line29-40   q.xx
Black/cream/red/green/cream, Brussels Steamship Co29-40   r.xx
Black/red/thin black/red, Union Castle Mail S S Co29-40   s.xx
Cream (or buff?), Canadian Pacific S S Co29-40   t.xx
Black/red/yellow/red/black, Yeoward Line29-40   u.xx
Black/blue/white/blue, A Coker & Co. Ltd29-40   v.xx
Black/white/black, Moss Line29-40   w.xx
Black/pink, Leyland Line29-40   x.xx
Black/red/black/thick red/black, Furness Line29-40   y.xx
Black/green, British & Irish S P Co. Ltd29-40   z.xx
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Notes:
¹ It's assumed that part 138 could have been special-ordered in nickel from 1927 to 1941, but we haven't yet seen one.
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Further information

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Alan K      (at 4:54am, Wed 4th May, 11)

Some of the pics show the funnels painted black inside, others not. Of my 5, 3 are black inside, about the same width of band as the outside, the other 2 are completely red inside. Is there a discernible pattern explaining when this variation occurred?

Ansar      (at 1:59pm, Mon 15th Nov, 10)

No, no, no! Chimineey adaptor is "164"! 64 is threeded boss, boss! Funny how the number of the funnel he did change. I wonder why?

Sarah      (at 2:58pm, Sun 14th Nov, 10)

Yes, it would do if you wanted to order a shiny funnel rather than a chimney adaptor, otherwise there wouldn't have been much point, really.

Paul D      (at 2:57am, Sun 14th Nov, 10)

Re the footnote about it being possible to have special ordered a nickel 138 - does this really follow when part 64 was the first coloured piece of Meccano in an otherwise solidly nickel era?

Reply: The one main reason I'm keeping that open is that John Bader, the nickel king, says he has definitely seen a raked nickel funnel -- it wasn't for sale, sadly. There must be one out there!


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