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Part 111: Long bolts
| 111 | Bolt, ¾'' | 1919 | - | 7 | 18 | 18 | N°6 | |
| 111a | Bolt, ½'' | 1921 | - | 8 | 24 | 18 | N°5 | |
| 111b | Bolt, 7/32'' | 1922 | 1924 | Became p.37 in 1924 | ||||
| 111c | Bolt, 3/8'' | 1926 | - | 12 | 12 | 24 | N°00 | Or perhaps 1924? |
| 111d | Bolt, 1 1/8'' | 1939 | - | 6 | N°10 | |||
| 111e | Bolt, 1'' | 1996 | - | In 'Evolution' sets | ||||
The parts
For the first eighteen years of Meccano parts, the only bolt was the standard part 37, at approximately 5/16'' it was not long enough to use as a complex pivot, but too long to fit neatly when bolting two or three parts together. It is a surprise that it lasted so long in that form.
In 1919, a new part 111 (the ¾'' bolt) was announced in a leaflet dated October 1919 distributed with the Meccano Magazine. This was an obvious and useful addition to the system, and was followed soon after by the ½'' bolt (part 111a) in 1921. Even so, very few of these were included in outfits (only three of part 111 and no 111a in the largest outfit of 1922!)
In 1922, a new bolt part number 111b was quietly introduced to the system. I can hardly find any reference to this part other than in the 1922 manual parts listing. It is for a new shorter 7/32'' bolt. One was included, only in the largest outfit 7, for a short period in the middle of 1924 and subsequently dropped. I have yet to find out why. Is this the rarest part ever?
There is no announcement of part 111b in the MM. The "A Message From Meccano Town" catalogue (first advertised as available in the Sept/Oct 1921 MM) does not include it.
In New Cavendish Volume 8, page 308, there is reproduced a price list dated March 1st 1922. This lists 111, 111a and 111b. The 1922 0 to 3 Manual (622/50) also lists 111, 111a and 111b.
If these dates are reliable they place the introduction between Sep. '21 and Mar. '22.
John Nuttall
No, it's not rare at all. It's one of the most common, and replaced part 37 later in 1924. The
standard bolt changed to 7/32'' (under the head) and part 111b was therefore obsolete. Although
I should imagine that finding a dealer's spare parts tin of part 111b would be fairly unusual.
The photo to the left shows the three different lengths of bolt: on the left, the original 5/16'' bolt part 37, then in the middle the new shorter 7/32'' bolt part 111b (later renumbered to 37), and on the right the subsequently introduced shortest of the 'long' bolts part 111c, at 3/8''.
DMS and EMP show part 111c, the 3/8'' bolt, as being introduced in 1926. The commonly
available parts lists show it in 1926 but not in 1922. I would be
very surprised if this were the case – the number of these much more common bolts
in all outfits (even outfit 00) implies that it was immediately recognised that a few
of the 'longer' bolts were required in all outfits, and that this part was introduced
very soon after part 37 reduced to 7/32''. The six longer bolts (pretty much the
same size as the old longer part 37) were needed in each outfit for lock-nutting and similar
jobs. If one of the new short bolts were needed in outfit 7, it would only have been dropped
if it had been superceded by the new shorter part 37, surely?
We have to be terribly careful about dating, particularly from Meccano Magazines, as we have already seen the "announcements" can be well over 12 months late.
The July 1925 manual above doesn't show part 111c, but the 1926 "New Meccano" leaflet (926/35) does. The part is announced in the September 1926 MM. There is a model in April 1926 MM p.260 where the instructions still say that a 5/16" bolt should be used. If the 3/8" had already been introduced they would not do, they would say 3/8".
John NuttallI'm not quite as sure about the April 1926 date, since articles describing models in the Meccano Magazine could be very old indeed. The reference to a 5/16'' bolt does pretty much confirm that the 'standard' bolt was no longer 5/16'' by this date, but since we don't know when the article was written it could have been well before this date that the new 3/8'' bolts were being added to outfits. At a busy time for Meccano, the replacement of all bolts with shorter 7/32'' ones would surely have caused an uproar if there were no long bolts at all in the outfits.
There may be another printing of these manuals, perhaps with the reference 539, 639, or 739. Do you have one of these? Does it show part 111d?
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The very long bolt, part 111d, is often considered a post-war part but was first seen
in the Mechanised Army outfit of 1939 as part M111d. It shows up in parts listings as
part 111d of standard Meccano just before the end of production in 1941, but didn't make
it into the new outfit 10 until its reintroduction in 1950. The extract to the right, from the
December 1939 Outfit 1 manual (reference 13/1239/65) shows the first known example of part 111d
in the 'main' Meccano system. It doesn't exist in the December 1938 printing.
Chronological variations
The long bolts following the same sequence as the standard bolts, part 37. Starting
with sharp-cornered cheesehead bolts, they change to domeheads in the late 20's, then back to
cheeseheads.
To make sure we all know what we're talking about, the photo to the right shows the three most common bolt head forms. On the left is the cheesehead (by far the most common), in the middle is the domehead (rarest, only for a short while in the late 20's), and to the right the roundhead (found in 1970s multikits and most outfits from 1978).
Versions in black (for the Mechanised Army Outfit) exist for all but part 111a. The bolts then change to zinc cheeseheads in the 1960's. The 1970's Multikits see these bolts in matt brass and black finishes, then changed to round-head bolts in the same finishes, while the standard bolts are also found in an iridescent finish.
In 1990 (or thereabouts), allen key heads appear, although very late outfits in the "Enthusiast" sets had zinc slotted roundheads right at the end of production.
Now, it is often assumed that blackened long bolts appeared during the nickel and brass shortages
of the Korean War (1951-52). However, the photo to the left shows an untouched (opened for the
first time for this photograph!) small parts box from a late 1951 outfit 5. The pale blue round
sticker on the box indicates the contents are blackened (as are the other parts in the outfit). But
you can clearly see that the long bolts are still brass. Does anyone have any firm evidence that
the long bolts ever went black during this period?
Variations and oddities
Part 111c (the 3/8'' bolt) is also found nickel-plated domehead, as supplied in the Aeroplane Constructor outfits as part number P611c.
Dealer spare parts boxes
The photo above shows a selection of long bolts in their dealer boxes. The yellow ones at the top are the normal
small parts boxes from the 1950's and later (as the parts are not coloured, these could be early 60's too). The
lighter yellow box top right is probably late in this period.
On the bottom row are a small tin of part 111c, almost certainly 1930s (from the cross-hatching on the label), and bottom right a pack from the late 60's or early 70's. This plastic bag of part 111c is in fact in a pre-printed bag for part 111a (you can see the yellow label behind the blue one) – they must have run out of the right bags on that day. We can clearly see from this that blue labels are not before the pre-printed bags.
Individual part numbers
Part numbers for the parts on this page are as follows: Unique part numbersFor identification, each variation has been given a suffix to the main Meccano part number. These suffixes consist of a two-character code for the colour, and if there are many variations, a further number and sometimes letter code to identify each variation. See the bottom of the 'Parts' page for further details.
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The button above turns on and off the display of DMS numbers (where they are known). The DMS (Development of the Meccano System, Hauton and Hindemarsh) published in 1972 and added to in 75 and 82, suggested part numbers for every variation of every Meccano part. These numbers aren't perfect, but they are recognised and also referenced in the EMP (Encyclopedia of Meccano Parts, Don Blakeborough).
| Description | from | 111 | 111a | 111c | 111d | 111e |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Brass plated steel, sharp cheesehead | 19 | .br1 | .br1 | .br1 | ||
| Brass plated steel, domehead | 28? | .br2 | .br2 | .br2 | ||
| Blackened steel, cheesehead | 39-41 | .ma | .ma | .ma | ||
| Brass plated steel, cheesehead | 45? | .br | .br | .br | .br | |
| Zinc plated steel, cheesehead | 66 | .zn | .zn | .zn | .zn | |
| Blackened steel (Army Multikit) | 72 | .bs1 | .bs1 | .bs1 | .bs1 | |
| Blackened steel domehead (Army Multikit) | 78 | .bs2 | .bs2 | .bs2 | .bs2 | |
| Brass plated steel, roundhead ² | 78 | .br3 | .br3 | .br3 | .br3 | |
| Iridescent, roundhead | 79 | .ir | .ir | .ir | .ir | |
| Zinc plated steel, roundhead ³ | 79 | .zn2 | .zn2 | .zn2 | .zn2 | |
| Zinc plated steel, allen key head | 90 | .zn1 | .zn1 | .zn1 | .zn1 | .zn1 |
| ALL | ALL | ALL | ALL | ALL |
¹ Blackened steel bolts are found in three varieties: Mechanised Army parts (with sharp cheeseheads); Army Multikit parts from 1972-77; and the second version of Army Multikit parts 1978-79 with dome heads.
² Roundhead brass bolts were supplied in 1978-79 Highway Multikits, and in the new outfits 1-5 of 1978-79.
³ Parts 111 and 111a were supplied as zinc plated roundhead bolts for the Space 2501 sets in 1979, from Binns Road. Later, the same variety appeared in the Sprint, Beginners, and Basic sets and subsequently the Enthusiast sets of traditional Meccano outfits up to 1992 or early 1993.
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